TITLE: 05/30 Eve Shift: 2330-0500 UTC (1630-2200 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Planned Engineering
INCOMING OPERATOR: None
SHIFT SUMMARY: See alog84660 for a summary of the commissioning done this evening. Since then, I have been unsuccessful in relocking H1 up to PREP_ASC to do more commissioning of the ASC loops. Sometimes I can make it to that state for up to a few minutes, but eventually there's a lockloss from somewhere I can't explain, possibly the wind or something else. The lockloss tool shows IMC tags for several of the locklosses today, but I haven't been able to find a cause for why the IMC would be dropping out at these times (they certainly don't look to me like the NPRO glitches from last fall that I believe motivated the creation of the IMC tag). I'm leaving H1 in 'DOWN' for the night and commissioning can pick back up in the morning.
S. Dwyer, J. Driggers, G. Mansell, R. Short, others
The efforts to close more of the ASC loops in ENGAGE_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO continued this evening. Sheila was able to find some new values for ASC input matrices by stepping different DOFs, and they have been added to ISC_LOCK. With these, we were able to close every ASC loop in the main method of ENGAGE_ASC except for CHARD_Y and ADS (so, INP1_P/Y, PRC2_P/Y, SRC1_P/Y, SRC2_P/Y, and CHARD_P). Jenne relocked ALS-X as it had unlocked with Sheila's CHARD steps, and we started the ALS QPD scripts to keep green arms locked from there. Since CHARD_Y was continuing to confuse us, we decided to move on for the time being and converge ADS error signals with the hope that bringing more alignment together that CHARD_Y would be easier. Jenne tried to move PRM around to bring ADS3 closer to zero, but this caused a lockloss when moving too far. I paused in CHECK_SDF to set the ITM camera references to match the new ALS QPD offsets and accepted them in SDF (see attachment #1 for ALS-X and #2 for ALS-Y).
Before the next lock attempt, I ran an initial alignment with the new green references, doing our usual thing of only doing PRC alignment up to the PRX steps and aligning PRM by hand. Georgia also edited the ENGAGE_ASC state in the following ways with the hope of running the state now that we had several loops closed:
Once relocked, we attempted ENGAGE_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO, and the loops closed successfully! ISC_LOCK was then waiting for ADS to converge (which it wouldn't as ADS wasn't engaged), so Jenne tricked ISC_LOCK by having it think the DAS error signals were zero. This allowed Guardian to move into the run method of ENGAGE_ASC, which has a gain increase of PRC2 gain. This gain increase caused PRC2 to ring up and cause a lockloss.
On another attempt, we made it to PREP_ASC and tried running the loops closing steps in the Guardian shell, but we missed that PRC2_P was on its soft limiter, so it was too far off and caused a lockloss.
At this point, I've been struggling to relock up to PREP_ASC with several random locklosses along the way, even though I've been touching up DRMI alignment on almost every acquisition. Wind speeds have been increasing and just surpassed 30mph, so that may be having some impact.
I made one more attempt to close these loops, following the guardian steps one at a time. Closing the CHARD P loop brought the PRG down and misaligned the IFO, so I've commented out those lines in the guardian (3478-3479).
Perhaps in our next attempt we can try not closing either CHARD loop, but walking PRM and maybe the soft loops to center on the optics, and retry checking the CHARD matrix there.
At 6:14 UTC, INP, PRC, SRC1, SRC2, and ADS 3 pitch and yaw loops were closed, and CHARD Y was closed with a input matrix of 1*A45 - 1* B45. The build ups looked good, and the green offset servos had been running with the arms locked in green. So we can come back to this time, find what the QPD offsets were and the camera settings, and use this time to reset initial alignment references. I looked at a CHARD input matrix after this, and lost lock while trying to bring the 45 P signals to zero. But there does look like a better CAHRD error signal for pitch in this alignment than there was in the alignment that we had earlier today.
During the opening of GV7 and GV5 last Wednesday I noticed that the EDC had some brief drop-outs of about 1000 channels. This Wednesday something similar was seen, and on investigation I found that HAM1 IP work was happening at this time.
This piqued my interest and on further investigation I found:
This has happened 9 times so far, the first on Monday 28apr2025.
The EDC disconnects from 1118 channels each time, the only DAQ EDC INI file with this number of chans is H0EPICS_VACLY.ini Trending channels from LY INI show flatlines around these times confirming this is the IOC in question.
The disconnection is brief, most being 8 Seconds in duration, some 9 Seconds, one 16 Seconds. The EDC disconnection number goes from 0 to 1118 in one step at the start, and usually drops back to 0 in one step at the end.
Patrick has found logs on h0vacly saying its CDS network port detected disconnections around these times.
We have no clear mechanism between opening gatevalves, working on chambers, pumping dewars and the h0vacly's network connectivity (none of these activities are anywhere physically close to the vacuum rack). Or as to why h0vacly and not h0vaclx.
Full details in FRS34265
TITLE: 05/29 Eve Shift: 2330-0500 UTC (1630-2200 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Planned Engineering
OUTGOING OPERATOR: TJ
CURRENT ENVIRONMENT:
SEI_ENV state: CALM
Wind: 13mph Gusts, 7mph 3min avg
Primary useism: 0.03 μm/s
Secondary useism: 0.10 μm/s
QUICK SUMMARY: Work continues to close ASC loops. We've been able to close about seven of them so far with new input matric values, and we'll continue this evening.
Work at the EX windfence has been completed. While laying out the last panel (furthest North) it was discovered that the new panel had been stitched incorrectly. An old panel that was in good shape was reused.
Ibrahim, Rahul
Attached below are the B&K (Bruel & Kjaer) measurement results of A+ HRTS (suspended config.) mounted on BBSS structure - see picture over here. We used a tri-axis accelerometer mounted on the BBSS frame as shown in this zoomed-in picture - X axis is along the longitudinal side of the BBSS, Y axis is the vertical and Z is transverse.
At first we measured BBSS alone (without mounting the HRTS) - see results posted here. Using a hammer (force transducer attached to a front end - recording the hammer and accelerometer data on the B&K software) we hit BBSS structure in X, Y and Z direction (of the accelerometer). The hit was hard enough to not cause a soft hit, while taking care its not saturating the sensors. We see a small spike at around 68Hz on X axis hit, which is similar to what Jim saw in his measurements few months ago - LHO alog 79930. However, at that time BBSS was without its side braces for providing structural rigidity.
The second plot represents BBSS with HRTS mounted on it. Here as well we see some peaks below and around 70Hz.
Both the suspensions were unlocked and suspended during this measurement.
I am processing and analyzing some additional data (taken for sanity check) by moving the accelerometer to a different location on the BBSS, and will be posting those numbers soon.
S. Dwyer, R. Short
While in PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO this afternoon, Sheila and I re-phased REFL9 similar to Georgia's attempt in alog84646, but we think we had a better result this time, maybe because alignment is a bit better now.
SDFs of gains and new phasing screenshots are attached. Phasing template has been saved with updated references as /opt/rtcds/userapps/release/asc/h1/templates/phasing/phase_REFL9_mrtodd.xml
TITLE: 05/29 Day Shift: 1430-2045 UTC (0730-1345 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Planned Engineering
INCOMING OPERATOR: Ryan S
SHIFT SUMMARY: The morning was spent trying to get back to PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO as it was found this morning. Locking DRMI was proving to be tricky even though camera flashes looked good and the POP 18&90 flashes also looked good. I would wait 5-10min, make minor adjustments to BS, PRM, or PR2 and try to increase the frequency or magnitude of the flashes. Sometimes this worked, sometimes it wasn't needed, and sometimes we gave up and ran an initial alignment skipping green. We've ran 3 initial alignments so far. We are now sitting at PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO and control room users are rephasing POP, tuning loops, and checking on other loops. I've had to touch up POP90 &18 at this state with SRM, as long as PRC2 is on to follow. I've also been turning on the RF violin mode damping whenever we sit in this state to help reduce teh high violins that we currently have.
LOG:
Start Time | System | Name | Location | Lazer_Haz | Task | Time End |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
15:30 | LASER | LASER HAZARD | LVEA | LASER HAZARD | LVEA IS LASER HAZARD (\u2310\u25a0_\u25a0) | 07:26 |
14:51 | SEI | Randy, Mitchell | EX | n | Wind fence work | 18:51 |
15:42 | VAC | Rodgers, Ken | Mech room | n | Compressor work | 19:42 |
17:17 | VAC | Gerardo | LVEA | yes | HAM1 AIP tapping | 18:13 |
17:50 | SQZ | Vicky, Kevin, Georgia | LVEA | yes | Plugging in cable | 18:29 |
J. Freed,
Spur Problem
As discussed in part 1, the Double Mixer has good phase noise around the carrier frequency to about a 100Hz out where SPI operates, however, it also has signals every 4096Hz away from the carrier. I had assumed that it was an issue relating to phase and amplitude mismatch on the phase delayer, but after adding attinuators to correct the missmatch, it helped, excepecially the 80Mhz + 4096Hz signal saw a ~15dB improvement. DM_Att.pdf. However, the double mixer still has large signals and the largest did not change with the addition of the attinuators.
I realize now that the problem lies with the mixers themselves as by the nature of a mixer they create spurs on the output.
DM_Mixer.pdf Shows the output of a single mixer. Along with the expected 80MHz - 4096 Hz and 80MHz + 4096 Hz there is extra peaks which i believe is caused by the Spurs of the mixer. The largest spur is at 80Mhz + 12,288Hz. This spur is actually in phase with the main signal and is thus construtivly interfered at the power combiner.
I do not know how to get rid of this spur as it is so close to the main carrier signal. For fun, I used a combination of Marki LC filter Design Tool and LTspice to simulate adding a filter to the end of the system to reduce the 80Mhz + 12,288Hz spur, but even an 8th order elliptical filter would only reduce the spur by ~0.04dB due to how close it is to the main signal. For fun I went to 20th order elliptic and it only reduced it by ~0.1dB. In addition, with nonstandard parts for a 20th order elliptic it got reduced by ~4dB. I am unsure of any other method to reduce the spur.
Double Mixer is a Single Sideband Mixer
I realize now that the basic design of the double mixer actually exists and is fairly common, it is called a Single Sideband Mixer (SSB mixer). Thanks to Brian, who gave me one of these mixers to test, I have something to compair the results
DMvsIRM.pdf Shows a plot of the double mixer vs a SSB mixer. The SSB mixer is tuned to 80MHz+4096Hz as apposed to the Double Mixers 80MHz -4096Hz but comparisons can still be made. For starters, the double mixers 80Mhz+4096Hz sideband equivalent is much better in the double mixer vs the SSB. However this comes at the cost of the 80Mhz+12,288Hz sideband equivalent which is much better in the SSB. In summary, just based on this single graph, the double mixer is more likely to be better for SPI for 2 reasons. One, we have already found out that SPI would be senstive to the 80MHz+4096Hz sideband equivalent. And two, if there is a way to attinuate these spurs by filtering, the spur further away from the carrier could be more easily attinuated.
High order modes filtering
Ive already discussed that adding fliters does not help the area around 80MHz. However, it does help with higher order modes
DM_Filter.pdf Shows a plot of adding a MC80-10-4AA bandpass filter from Lark engenering that has a bandwidth of 10MHz and a center of 80MHz at different positions in the Double Mixer. The best place to put one seems to be just before the amplifier, not entirly sure if adding one is nessisary to SPI but it should be good for reduceing a possible noise source.
High-Order Mode Filtering
The MC80-10-4AA that I listed actually filters by reflections, which is not helping to remove those signals from going back into the mixer. If a filter is going to be added, something like the ZXLF-K151+ would work much better.
I now realize a filter should be unnecessary as the AOMs are expected to have high insertion loss at frequencies not around 80Mhz, AOM-Tuneability.png, basically acting as a band-pass filter anyways.
Thu May 29 10:13:45 2025 INFO: Fill completed in 13min 41secs
Gerardo confirmed a good fill curbside.
TITLE: 05/29 Day Shift: 1430-2330 UTC (0730-1630 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Planned Engineering
OUTGOING OPERATOR: Tony
CURRENT ENVIRONMENT:
SEI_ENV state: CALM
Wind: 5mph Gusts, 3mph 3min avg
Primary useism: 0.02 μm/s
Secondary useism: 0.10 μm/s
QUICK SUMMARY: Still locked at PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO. HAM1 is in DAMPED, everything else looks OK.
Plan for the day is to get the ASC working.
(Travis S., Jordan V., Gerardo M.)
First, the good news, we managed to helium leak check all of the conflats that were added or "touched" related to HAM1 volume, and no leak was detected above the background of 1.9x10-10 torr*l/sec of He. All electrical feedthroughs, all five way crosses, new gauge tree, and a new turbo flange were leak tested.
Now for the puzzling part, after all items were leak checked, we valved in the ion pump to HAM1, as soon as that was done, since we still had the leak detector backing the turbo pump the background went up to 2.5x10-09 torr*l/sec of He, a little sick ion pump??
HAM1 annulus system is lagging behind, its ion pump controller is railed at 10 mA. HAM1 and HAM2 share the same annulus volume, both systems are currently being pumped down with two different aux carts, both of the ion pump controllers were turned on today, HAM2 system is currently sitting at 7 mA, but HAM1 still railed as stated above. If the performance does not improve we'll need to break out the big wrenches to revisit the doors.
The squeezer path from HAM7 to HAM8 is open now, all closed valves were opened today, RV1, FCV1, FCV2, FCV3, FCV4, FCV5.
Main Turbo pumps were shut down today, output manifold turbo, Y-Beam manifold turbo, and the X-Beam manifold turbo. HAM6 turbo pump was also turned off, but the cart still powered on.
Rogers Machinery was in the mechanical room today, see work in progress on the photo below, new compressor and new dryer skid, rough location, rough position.
TITLE: 05/29 Eve Shift: 2330-0500 UTC (1630-2200 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Planned Engineering
INCOMING OPERATOR: None
SHIFT SUMMARY: This evening was mostly focused on trying to gradually engage full IFO ASC. We've been able to consistently get relocked up to PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO as long as (mostly) PRM alignment is touched up every so often, but work is still ongoing to close ASC loops once there. See primarily alog84646 and comments for details.
For the night, we're leaving H1 locked at PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO with a few ASC loops closed, but 'DOWN' is requested so that it won't try to relock if it drops out. [Tagging OpsInfo] In the morning, if H1 is still locked here, hang tight until more commissioning of the ASC loops can happen. If unlocked, run an initial alignment skipping PRC steps (as we have been this week).
LOG:
Start Time | System | Name | Location | Lazer_Haz | Task | Time End |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
15:30 | LASER | LASER HAZARD | LVEA | LASER HAZARD | LVEA IS LASER HAZARD (\u2310\u25a0_\u25a0) | Ongoing |
21:40 | SQZ | Camilla, Kevin | LVEA - SQZT0 | YES | Homodyne alignment (Camilla out early) | 01:47 |
22:26 | SQZ | Vicky | LVEA - SQZT0 | YES | Helping with SQZ work | 01:47 |
23:59 | SQZ | Camilla | LVEA | - | Checking on SQZ team | 00:09 |
00:19 | ISC | Sheila, Matt, Caroline, Julia | LVEA | - | Plugging in CARM cable | 00:33 |
Ryan S, Sheila, Syracuse Squad
After Sheila and Ryan turned up the BS oplev laser current more (and no one is climbing on HAM1), we seem to be requiring more successfully.
We got through DRMI_to_POP. To check it was safe, Sheila loaded the LSC POP_A input matrices into the unused XARM filter, and we checked the transfer function from PRCL, MICH, SRCL to the XARM for each input matrix. The PRCL TF looked flat and had 0 phase: good! The other DOFs had a bit of slope and phase but were close enough to 1 that we powered through, and DRMI_to_POP didn't cause any locklosses. It's on our to do list to check the LSC open loop transfer functions.
Then we sat at PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO and tried checking the phase of the ASC REFL diodes. Sheila++ plugged the LSC AO 2 into the refl servo so we could drive a line in frequency noise, which we want to tune the phasing so it shows up in the I quadrature for each QPD quadrant. I found some handy templates in /opt/rtcds/userapps/release/asc/h1/templates/phasing, complete with excitation. I turned the excitation down to 0.1 and that seemed good. The line was predominatnly in I for each quadrant in REFL_A_RF9 and REFL_B_RF9 EXCEPT Q3 of REFL_B. I imagined I would just tune the phase and see the line go down in Q, but this wasn't the case. It bounced around a bit and was hard to tell if I made progress. Attached screenshot (#1) is with the new phasing.
I accepted the changed phase in SDF, screenshot attached (#2) in case this was a bad move that needs to be reverted.
It seems like we have a 15 minute death (lockloss) timer while we sit at PREP_ASC_FOR_FULL_IFO right now, which is making it hard to get the ASC working, but we'll keep trying...
Ryan S, Sheila
Ryan stepped aligments using move_arm_dev and IM4 and PR2 to improve the build ups. This did not bring the error signals close to zero, and the x arm lost the green lock as he stepped it. Next time we would like to run the servo that updates the QPD offsets to keep the green locked to the arm as we move things, so we can capture the alignment with the green references.
One the build ups looked about as good as Ryan could get them with CHARD, IM4 and PR2, he stepped each of those DOFs in yaw, the attached ndscope shows a rough sensing function measurement based on this. POPX seems to have a nice error signal and zero crossing for PR2, we tried to close this loop with an input matrix of -1 and gain of 0.2, this was too small a gain and we lost lock when I made a typo trying to increase the gain in the input matrix.
REFL 45 I has clear response to both CHARD and IM4, based on the slope of these it looks like we would want to use the difference of the 45s for CHARD and the sum for IM4, this would not produce a good zero crossing for CHARD however. In the past we used the sum of the 45s (plus some 9s) for CHARD, which would still produce a zero crossing at the good alignment, but doesn't seems very sensitive.
REFL 9 signals show up more clearly in Q than in I, which seems strange since Georiga and company just phased them to have the frequency line show up in I.
Candidate input matrix: PR2 on POPX with a negative sign, CHARD on 3* REFL A 45 I + 2.5 REFL B 45 I and IM4 on REFL B 9I.
Next lock, Ryan made a nicce set of steps that we can use to check the input matrix for IM4, PR2, and CHARD p+ Y from 5:42 UTC until 5:57 UTC, improving the build ups as he went. POP X looks like a nice error signal for PR2 P +Y. We reset the green references here.
We closed PRC2 P + Y loops with a gain of 250 and -1 in the input matrix. We also closed INP1 Y with the suggested input matrix from above, which was fine. Trying to close CHARD Y with this input matrix misaligned the IFO, so we have left it off.The last screen shot shows some CHARD Y steps while the INP1 + PR2 loops were closed, the time cursor shows where the build ups looked best.
M. Todd, S. Dwyer
Following the same routine layed out in alog 64204, we had the SR785 already plugged in for a CARM OLG measurement using the gpib from the control room.
I adjusted the carm olg template a tiny bit as it didn't have the right gpib number.
Then I ran
I measured a 11kHz UGF with a 41 degree phase margin; while this is quite different from previous measurements (2022-07-29) which had something around 27 kHz, I think this is because of the different power states.
TITLE: 05/28 Day Shift: 1430-2330 UTC (0730-1630 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Planned Engineering
INCOMING OPERATOR: Ryan S
SHIFT SUMMARY:
Epochs of locking:
When I first got in to the control room I ran a full Auto initial alignment.
This lead us to no flashes on DRMI & PRMI.
We then manual initial alignment through a few PRX steps.
Which gave us flashes, but after that we had some noise on the beam splitter oplevs.
Then a REFLAIR phase issue was overcame.
Mean while the SQZrs are turning on the laser and did some aligning on the SQZ tables.
Then unknown 70hz feature was later found out to be ISI in HAM1.
The VAC team checked HAM1 for leeks, and didn't find any.
LOG:
Start Time | System | Name | Location | Lazer_Haz | Task | Time End |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
15:30 | LASER | LASER HAZARD | LVEA | LASER HAZARD | LVEA IS LASER HAZARD (\u2310\u25a0_\u25a0) | 07:26 |
14:43 | FAC | Kim | Optics Lab | N | Technical cleaning | 16:21 |
15:24 | VAC | Travis & 3 Rogers co | Mechanical room | N | Working purge air system, replacing pump. | 20:22 |
15:34 | ISC | Sheila & Camilla | LVEA | Yes | touching the Beam splitter Opical lever | 16:54 |
15:41 | ISC | Betsy | LVEA | Yes | helping Sheila & Camilla | 16:54 |
16:19 | VAC | Gerardo & Jordan | LVEA HAM1 | yes | Annulus check and spinning valve, May trip HAM1 | 18:19 |
16:20 | FAC | Kim | MX & MY | N | Cleaning Busy Bees | 18:17 |
16:50 | SQZ | Camilla, Julia, Gorgia, Kevin, Carline | LVEA SQZt7 | Yes | SQZ Tour & work caroline out early | 19:14 |
16:51 | ISC | ELenna | Control Rm | N | Centering loops on RMs | 18:46 |
17:16 | EE | Fil | LVEA | n | Swapping chassis. | 17:16 |
17:17 | EE | Marc | LVEA | N | Visual inspection of sensors. | 17:27 |
18:01 | VAC | Gerardo | LVEA | Y | Talking to SQZrs | 18:41 |
18:02 | FAC | Kim | HAM Shaq | N | Technical cleaning | 18:46 |
19:12 | SUS | Betsy | Optics Lab | n | Getting parts. | 19:34 |
19:22 | PCAL | Tony, Caroline | PCAL Lab | Local | Setting up K1 meajurement | 19:58 |
19:31 | PSL | Sheila | LVEA | Y | Plug in 785 | 20:05 |
20:23 | EE | Daniel | LVEA HAM1 | Y | checking on things | 20:49 |
20:40 | VAC | Gerardo & Jordan & Travis | LVEA HAM1 | y | Jumping on HAM 1 checking for leaks. Travis out early | 22:29 |
20:51 | ISC | Sheila & Ryam Short | LVEA | y | Pluggin in an SR 785 & adjusting the BS Oplev | 22:17 |
21:40 | SQZ | Camilla Kevin | LVEA SQZTs | Y | Working on homodyne system, Camilla Out early | 23:40 |
22:26 | SQZ | Vickie | LVEA SQZts | y | Helping with SQZ work | 23:56 |
J. Freed
The reason we picked the ZFL-500HLN amp for SPI's Double Mixer was that it was an amp that met requirements from minicircuts
-frequency range contains 80MHz (our operating frequency)
-Operates at voltage supplied by Low Noise Power(15V, 17V, 24V etc.)
-Has a P1dB well above our output power of 10dBm (to remove non-linearity)
-No heat sinks (to fit in a 1U chassis.) (This requirement actually doesnt matter, the ones discussed here are still the best even compaired to amps with heat sinks)
-sma connections
-Low noise
-Low gain (we only need ~8dB of amplification)
The ZFL-500HLN was chosen because it fit all those requirements, with the cavieat of having to attuniate before amplification (adding noise). Though if I am correct and the Low noise power board 5V Vcc port is capable of supporting a 63mA load, another option would be the ZX60-P105LN+ instead due to the lower gain and lower noise. This would remove the need for an attinuator before amplification but its low input return loss means alot of power is reflected back towards our mixers (Also causeing noise). So it becomes a pick your poison of adding noise by attinuating before amplification vs by reflections back into our mixers. In practice, I believe both would operate about the same. Will add a comment if something changes
Double-MixerAmpComparison.png shows a quick comparison of the 2 amps
Acording to this term definitions manual I found on minicircuts:
"Directivity (active) is defined as the difference between isolation and forward gain in dB. It is an indication of the isolation of the source from the load, or how much the load impedance affects the input impedance and the source impedance affects the output impedance. The higher the active directivity (in dB), the better the isolation."
So directivity is just a measure of Isolation - Gain. Which isolation is just a measure of how much power is sent through the amp to the input port with power applied on the output. This would really only affect the amp when there is a large impedance mismatch on the output (load). If there is little to none, directivity doesnt really matter. But if it did come up, the ZFL-500HLN would do much better. The greater concern I believe for the ZX60-P105LN+ is the large input return loss, which is the power of the reflections off of the ports back the way it came. This would cause a standing wave on our input. To reduce it, we would have to add an attinuator on the input anyway. Probably less than the 10 dB attinuator which we currently have, but still something to consider.
P.S. VSWR and Return Loss(RL) are the same thing with different units, the conversion between them is VSWRvsRL.png. A VSWR closer to 1 is better, while a higher return loss is better. Converting the ZFL-500HLN aproximate 1.04:1 VSWR to Return loss gives 34.15dB. This means the reflections power are about 20dB greater on the ZX60-P105LN+. Really not sure if it is worth it excpecilly since mixers are sensitive to these reflections.