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H1 General
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 22:04, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83580)
Ops Eve Shift End

TITLE: 03/27 Eve Shift: 2330-0500 UTC (1630-2200 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Observing at 156Mpc
INCOMING OPERATOR: Ibrahim
SHIFT SUMMARY: Observing at 156Mpc and have been locked for almost 1 hour. One lockloss during my shift but relocking went well and was almost completely hands off besides me selecting an initial alignment.
LOG:

23:30UTC Observing at 156 Mpc and locked for almost 12 hours
    01:55 Kicked out of Observing due to squeezer losing lock
    01:59 Back into Observing after squeezer got back to FDS

02:41 Lockloss
    - I immediately decided to start an initial alignment since the lock had been relatively long
04:13 NOMINAL_LOW_NOISE
04:15 Observing                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Start Time System Name Location Lazer_Haz Task Time End
16:57 ISC Mayank Opt Lab Yes ISS PD array 00:53
21:46 TCS Camilla, Matt Opt Lab Yes CO2 laser testing 23:46
H1 General (Lockloss)
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 19:44, Wednesday 26 March 2025 - last comment - 21:16, Wednesday 26 March 2025(83578)
Lockloss

Lockloss @ 03/27 02:41UTC after just over 15 hours locked

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oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - 21:16, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83579)

04:15UTC Back to Observing

H1 General
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 17:52, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83577)
Ops Eve Shift Start

TITLE: 03/27 Eve Shift: 2330-0500 UTC (1630-2200 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Observing at 155Mpc
OUTGOING OPERATOR: TJ
CURRENT ENVIRONMENT:
    SEI_ENV state: CALM
    Wind: 9mph Gusts, 6mph 3min avg
    Primary useism: 0.02 μm/s
    Secondary useism: 0.21 μm/s
QUICK SUMMARY:

Currently Observing and have been locked for over 13 hours. I forgot to put this in earlier when TJ was leaving oops

LHO General
thomas.shaffer@LIGO.ORG - posted 16:14, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83567)
Ops Day Shift End

TITLE: 03/26 Day Shift: 1430-2330 UTC (0730-1630 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Observing at 154Mpc
INCOMING OPERATOR: Oli
SHIFT SUMMARY: Commissioning time for three hours this morning, which we stayed locked for. We have been locked for 11.5 hours now. I've been impatient and have tried damping down ITMY violin modes 5&6 by making small gain changes. I think I slightly sped it up, but barely.
LOG:

Start Time System Name Location Lazer_Haz Task Time End
15:07 FAC Nelly MX n Tech clean 15:32
16:47 CDS Fil, Marc Mech room n Pulling cables 19:49
16:56 FAC Kim H2 building n Tech clean 17:10
16:57 ISC Mayank Opt Lab Yes ISS PD array 00:10
19:49 ISC Keita Opt Lab Yes ISS PD array 21:01
21:46 TCS Camilla, Matt Opt Lab Yes CO2 laser testing 23:46
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H1 SQZ
sheila.dwyer@LIGO.ORG - posted 15:56, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83575)
RF3 demod angle scans yesterday

Yesterday we were sitting waiting for the violin modes to damp before changing the OMC whitening, so I took advantage of the time to do some scans of the RF3 demod phase (which is labeled RF6 in beckhoff) with different SRCL offsets since we suspected that the SQZ angle servo might not work well during thermalization because of the changin SRC detuning. However, it seems that doesn't have much impact on the SQZ angle readback, and this servo should work fine with changes in SRC detuning.

The first subplot shows the ADF ellipse, and then the channels after the normalization that is used to turn it into a circle, these look the same for the two offsets.  The next plot shows the readback of the SQZ angle, which is arctan2 of the normalized signals from the first plot.  This relation ship is not linear, it should be described by the relationship Daniel wrote here: 49026

The bottom plot shows the sqz blrms, we want to operate the sevo where this is minimzed, where it seems that the sqz angle readback is a good error signal to use.

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H1 SQZ
camilla.compton@LIGO.ORG - posted 13:42, Wednesday 26 March 2025 - last comment - 15:58, Monday 31 March 2025(83570)
SQZ Data set with high NLG, then adjusted SRCL offset and FC detuning.

Sheila, Camilla

Reduced HAM7 rejected pump power and increased SHG launch, turned OPO trans setpoint up to 120uW and measured NLG with 76542 to be 58 (this was a little lower than with 120uW in 83370). OPO gain turned down from -8  to -12. ADF was on for all apart from "Mean SQZ w/o ADF".

Type Time (UTC) Angle DTT Ref
No SQZ 16:01:00 - 16:15:00 N/A ref 0
SQZ 16:56:30 - 16:59:30 (CLF-) 174 ref1
SQZ +10deg 17:00:00 - 17:03:00 (CLF-) 184 ref2
SQZ -10deg 17:03:30 - 17:06:30 (CLF-) 164 ref3
Mean SQZ w/o ADF 17:07:30 - 17:10:30 N/A ref4
Mean SQZ w/ ADF 17:11:00 - 17:14:00 N/A ref5
Mid SQZ + 17:17:00 - 17:20:00 (CLF-) 209 ref6
Mid SQZ - 17:21:30 - 17:24:30 (CLF-) 152 ref7
ASQZ 17:27:30 - 17:30:30 (CLF-) 80 ref8
ASQZ +10deg 17:31:30 - 17:34:30 (CLF-) 90 ref9
ASQZ -10deg 17:35:00 -17:38:00 (CLF-) 70 ref10
Then went to FDS      
FDS SQZ, SRCL -191 17:46:00 - 17:49:00 (CLF-) 174 ref11
FDS SQZ +10deg, SRCL -191 17:49:30 - 17:51:30 (2mins) (CLF-) 184 ref12
FDS SQZ -10deg, SRCL -191 17:52:00 -17:54:00 (2mins) (CLF-) 164 ref13
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290 17:56:30 - 17:59:30 (CLF-) 146 ref14
FDS SQZ +10deg, SRCL -290 18:00:00 - 18:02:00 (2mins) (CLF-) 156 ref15
FDS SQZ -10deg, SRCL -290 18:02:30 - 18:04:30 (2mins) (CLF-) 136 ref16
Starting FC detuning -36Hz      
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290, FC detuning -40Hz 18:08:30 - 18:11:30 (CLF-) 146 ref17
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290, FC detuning -32Hz 18:12:00 - 18:15:00 (CLF-) 146 ref18
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290, FC detuning -32Hz 18:18:00 - 18:21:00 (CLF-) 149 ref19
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290, FC detuning -28Hz* 18:21:30 - 18:24:30 (CLF-) 149 ref20
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290, FC detuning -24Hz 18:225:30 - 18:28:30 (CLF-) 149 ref21
OPO trans back to nominal 80uW, NLG 12      
FDS SQZ, SRCL -290, FC detuning -28Hz 18:46:30 - 18:49:00 (2m30) (CLF-) 170 ref22
FDS SQZ, SRCL -191, FC detuning -36Hz 19:03:30 - 19:06:00 (2m30) (CLF-) 171 ref23

* For NLG of 58, SRCL -290, FC detuning -28Hz looked best.

Plots attached of FIS data showing SQZ, Mean SQZ, Mid SQZ and also SQZ and ASQZ, filename shown on screenshot.

Also did FDS SQZ, +/-10deg with nominal SRCL detuning (-191) and -290, plot attached. And adjusted the FC de-tuning with SRCL offset at -290, plot attached.

Finally we went back to the nominal NLG (NLG of 12 with 80uW OPO Trans setpoint) and checked FDS SQZ with the best found settings at high NLG: SRCL -290, FC de-tuning -28Hz and back to nominal settings, DARM plot attached.  We didn't have time to fully tune the angle in both settings so could repeat this to check at which settings the range is best. Sheila ran a SQZ angle scan at these settings (SRCL -290, FC de-tuning -28Hz), see attached, it is less frequency dependent than than the scans taken the day before at SRCL -191 (nominal) and -190, FC de-tuning -36Hz (nominal), plot attached.

opo_grTrans_ setpoint_uW Amplified Max Amplified Min UnAmp Dark NLG (usual) NLG (maxmin) OPO Gain
120 0.0540944 0.00026378 0.000913452 -0.0000233 57.75 58.68 -12
80 0.010857 0.0002927 0.000904305 -0.0000219 11.72 12.57 -8
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sheila.dwyer@LIGO.ORG - 14:46, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83572)

Here are some plots of Camilla's first dataset above, changing the SRC detuning while adjsuting the squeezing angle for high frequency squeezing, made with the same code used for 80318, which is available here

For the gwinc model, I've set the generated squeezing to 23 dB based on Camilla's measured NLG of 58.  Based on the loss estimates from 83457, I've set the Injection loss to 0.178 (17.8% loss) and the PD efficiency (readout efficiency) to 0.815, and the phase noise to 0.

The third attachment shows the model where I've manually adjusted the SRC detuning to roughly match the subtracted squeezing, and the second shows a linear fit of SRCL offset to these detunings.  This suggests that the SRCL offset should be at -306 counts to reduce the SRCL offset, and that we are currently running with a SRCL detuning of 0.013 radians. 

 

 

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camilla.compton@LIGO.ORG - 10:51, Thursday 27 March 2025 (83585)

This morning we put SRCL offset to -306, FC de-tuning -28Hz. I then ran SCAN_SQZANG which changed the angle form 171 to 161 and compare the before and after DARM, attached, SQZ looks alot better at higher frequencies, however the range, attached, is similar or a little worse, maybe the 300Hz (yellow BLRMs) squeezing is slightly worse.

Updated DTT legend as had typo.

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sheila.dwyer@LIGO.ORG - 15:58, Monday 31 March 2025 (83666)

Here are some preliminary plots from Camilla's data set of different squeezing angles taken at an NLG of 58 with the SRCL offset at it's nominal -191 counts setting, which we believe is about 13 mrad SRC detuning. 

The first plot shows some assumptions that go into making this model, we start with an assumption about arm power, use the noise budget estimate of non quantum noise at 2kHz (which may be out of date now), and set the readout losses to fit the no squeezing data at 2.1-2.3kHz.  Then subtract this quantum noise model without squeezing  from the no squeezing data, and use that as an estimate of the non-quantum noise, which can be added to all of the quantum noise models for different squeezing angles to compare to the measurement. (second plot is a somewhat overwhelming plot of all this added for completeness).

I've set the phase noise to 0 based on 83457.  Using the level of sqz and anti-squeeze at 2.1-2.3 kHz, we infer that the NLG was 63 and the total efficency was 66.5%.  Camilla measured the NLG to be 58, for 120uW circulating power, but in 83370 she measured 61-63 for 120uW.   The third plot here shows the data that Camilla took with the LO loop unlocked, so that the squeezing angle is averaging and rotating freely.  Using this and knowledge of the NLG, we should be able to infer the total squeezing efficiency as a function of frequency. Doing the subtraction of non quantum noise increases the infered efficiency, (compare thick lines to thin), the two different values of NLG suggest rather different efficiencies. There is evidence that the efficiency frequency dependent, which could be caused by a number of effects. Below 200 Hz there is some excess noise in the mean sqz trace, as you can see here, which causes the efficiency infered to be above 1.

The next two plots show the model broken into more readable plots, with the only thing I've adjusted by hand being the SRC detuning.  There is a discrepancy between the model + noise for the anti-squeezing and anti-squeezing +/-10 degrees traces without the filter cavity, which seems like it could be some excess noise that is similar for the different traces.  This is similar to the discrepancy seen in the last plot in 82097, but it is larger in this higher NLG dataset.

 

 

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LHO VE
david.barker@LIGO.ORG - posted 10:25, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83571)
Wed CP1 Fill

Wed Mar 26 10:13:03 2025 INFO: Fill completed in 12min 59secs

Gerardo confirmed a good fill curbside.

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H1 SQZ
camilla.compton@LIGO.ORG - posted 10:14, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83569)
SQZ FIS SRC Detuning Data set

Reduced HAM7 rejected pump power and increased SHG launch, turned OPO trans setpoint up to 120uW and measured NLG with 76542 to be 58 (this was a little lower than with 120uW in 83370).

Data attached with filename shown on screenshot.

Type Time (UTC) SRCL Angle DTT Ref
No SQZ 16:01:00 - 16:15:00 N/A N/A ref 0
FIS 16:20:30 - 16:23:30 -191 (CLF-) 174 ref1
FIS 16:27:30  - 16:30:30 -90 (CLF-) 218 ref2
FIS 16:35:00 - 16:38:00 0 (CLF+) 107 ref3
FIS 16:42:00 - 16:45:00 -290 (CLF-) 146 ref4
FIS 16:48:00 - 16:51:00 -390 (CLF-) 129 ref5

Note that I left the OPO servo gain at -8, but we have previously used -12dB for 120uW OPO trans (83370)

opo_grTrans_ setpoint_uW Amplified Max Amplified Min UnAmp Dark NLG (usual) NLG (maxmin) OPO Gain
120 0.0540944 0.00026378 0.000913452 -0.0000233 57.75 58.68 -8
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H1 General (SQZ)
thomas.shaffer@LIGO.ORG - posted 08:28, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83568)
Briefly dropped observing 1521-1526 SQZr unlocked

The squeezer unlocked, then relocked from 1521-1526UTC. The SQZ_OPO_LR node now has the message "pump fiber rej power in ham7 high, nominal 35e-3, align fiber pol on sqzt0".
 

H1 CAL
anthony.sanchez@LIGO.ORG - posted 08:13, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83561)
PCAL EndX measurement Results.

Today Francisco and I went down to the End station to make an End X measurement using PS4.
He took some time to do a Beam Spot move, and then we got started on the ES measurement following the instructions in the T1500062 Procedures and Log .

I did happen to look inside the RX sphere when swapping spheres and saw a small black dot on the spectralon on the inside of the shpere. It actually looks like it may be some tiny pitting in the spectralon shell.


(pcal_env) tony@LHOGC000360:~/Documents/PCAL/git/pcal/O4/ES/scripts/pcalEndstationPy$ python generate_measurement_data.py --WS "PS4" --date "2025-03-24"
Reading in config file from python file in scripts
../../../Common/O4PSparams.yaml
PS4 rho, kappa, u_rel on 2025-03-24 corrected to ES temperature 299.4 K :
-4.701550919294612 -0.0002694340454223 4.0632996079052654e-05
Copying the scripts into tD directory...
Connected to nds.ligo-wa.caltech.edu
martel run
reading data at start_time:  1426956240
reading data at start_time:  1426956650
reading data at start_time:  1426956970
reading data at start_time:  1426957350
reading data at start_time:  1426957720
reading data at start_time:  1426958030
reading data at start_time:  1426958180
reading data at start_time:  1426958960
reading data at start_time:  1426959280
Ratios: -0.46129682487781465 -0.4660359949229844
writing nds2 data to files
finishing writing
Background Values:
bg1 =        8.837346; Background of TX when WS is at TX
bg2 =        5.591501; Background of WS when WS is at TX
bg3 =        8.780952; Background of TX when WS is at RX
bg4 =        5.680601; Background of WS when WS is at RX
bg5 =        8.772249; Background of TX
bg6 =        0.562586; Background of RX

The uncertainty reported below are Relative Standard Deviation in percent

Intermediate Ratios
RatioWS_TX_it      = -0.461297;
RatioWS_TX_ot      = -0.466036;
RatioWS_TX_ir      = -0.455766;
RatioWS_TX_or      = -0.460962;
RatioWS_TX_it_unc  = 0.088015;
RatioWS_TX_ot_unc  = 0.088093;
RatioWS_TX_ir_unc  = 0.093864;
RatioWS_TX_or_unc  = 0.092606;
Optical Efficiency
OE_Inner_beam                      = 0.988107;
OE_Outer_beam                      = 0.989162;
Weighted_Optical_Efficiency        = 0.988635;

OE_Inner_beam_unc                  = 0.059352;
OE_Outer_beam_unc                  = 0.059902;
Weighted_Optical_Efficiency_unc    = 0.084326;

Martel Voltage fit:
Gradient      = 1636.730463;
Intercept     = 0.022399;


 Power Imbalance = 0.989831;

Endstation Power sensors to WS ratios::
Ratio_WS_TX                        = -1.078361;
Ratio_WS_RX                        = -1.391797;

Ratio_WS_TX_unc                    = 0.053544;
Ratio_WS_RX_unc                    = 0.043735;

=============================================================
============= Values for Force Coefficients =================
=============================================================

Key Pcal Values :
GS           =      -5.135100; Gold Standard Value in (V/W)             
WS           =      -4.701551; Working Standard Value             

costheta     =      0.988362; Angle of incidence
c            =      299792458.000000; Speed of Light
             
End Station Values :
TXWS         =        -1.078361; Tx to WS Rel responsivity (V/V)
sigma_TXWS   =        0.000577; Uncertainity of Tx to WS Rel responsivity (V/V)
RXWS         =        -1.391797; Rx to WS Rel responsivity (V/V)
sigma_RXWS   =        0.000609; Uncertainity of Rx to WS Rel responsivity (V/V)

e            =        0.988635; Optical Efficiency
sigma_e      =        0.000834; Uncertainity in Optical Efficiency

Martel Voltage fit :
Martel_gradient         =        1636.730463; Martel to output channel (C/V)
Martel_intercept   =        0.022399; Intercept of fit of     Martel to output (C/V)

Power Loss Apportion :
beta          =        0.998895; Ratio between input and output (Beta)  
E_T          =        0.993751; TX Optical efficiency
sigma_E_T          =        0.000419; Uncertainity in TX Optical efficiency
E_R          =        0.994851; RX Optical Efficiency
sigma_E_R          =        0.000419; Uncertainity in RX Optical efficiencyForce Coefficients :
FC_TxPD          =        7.896238e-13; TxPD Force Coefficient
FC_RxPD          =        6.188319e-13; RxPD Force Coefficient
sigma_FC_TxPD          =        5.403288e-16; TxPD Force Coefficient
sigma_FC_RxPD          =        3.778561e-16; RxPD Force Coefficient
data written to ../../measurements/LHO_EndX/tD20250325/

Martel Voltage Tests
WS_at_RX.png
WS_at_RX_BOTH_BEAMS.png
WS_at_TX.png
LHO_EndX_PD_ReportV5.pdf

This adventure has been brought to you by Matt Todd, Francisco L. & Tony Sanchez.

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LHO General
thomas.shaffer@LIGO.ORG - posted 07:39, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83566)
Ops Day Shift Start

TITLE: 03/26 Day Shift: 1430-2330 UTC (0730-1630 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Observing at 153Mpc
OUTGOING OPERATOR: Ibrahim
CURRENT ENVIRONMENT:
    SEI_ENV state: CALM
    Wind: 7mph Gusts, 5mph 3min avg
    Primary useism: 0.02 μm/s
    Secondary useism: 0.22 μm/s
QUICK SUMMARY: Locked for 3 hours, calm environment, no alarms. The violins are still slowly coming down, at 5e-16 in DARM atm. The usual ITMY modes 5&6 are the culprits. There is some planned extra commissioning time today coordinated with LLO.

H1 General
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 22:07, Tuesday 25 March 2025 (83565)
Ops Eve Shift End

TITLE: 03/26 Eve Shift: 2330-0500 UTC (1630-2200 PST), all times posted in UTC
STATE of H1: Lock Acquisition
INCOMING OPERATOR: Ibrahim
SHIFT SUMMARY: Lost lock a few minutes ago unfortunately. Reason still unknown. We had just gotten back up to Observing less than 30 minutes ago after an earlier unknown lockloss at 02:21 UTC (Here is the sunset from the overpass at the time of that lockloss - Photo credit to Francisco)
LOG:

23:30UTC In OMC_WHITENING damping violins
23:35 NOMINAL_LOW_NOISE
23:37 Observing
    01:54 Superevent S250326y

02:21 Lockloss (Lockloss Desert View - P.C. Francisco)
    - Lost lock at RESONANCE, decided to run an initial alignment since PRMI/DRMI had trouble right before

04:33 NOMINAL_LOW_NOISE
04:35 Observing

04:57 Lockloss

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H1 General (Lockloss)
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 21:58, Tuesday 25 March 2025 (83563)
Lockloss

Lockloss @ 03/26 04:57 UTC

H1 General (Lockloss)
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 19:23, Tuesday 25 March 2025 - last comment - 21:58, Tuesday 25 March 2025(83562)
Lockloss

Lockloss @ 03/26 02:21 UTC

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oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - 21:58, Tuesday 25 March 2025 (83564)

04:33 Back Observing

H1 SEI
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 17:46, Tuesday 25 March 2025 (83560)
ISI CPS Noise Spectra Check Weekly FAMIS

Closes FAMIS#26035, last checked 83269

Script reports that noise is elevated for:
ETMY_ST2_CPSINF_V2

Overall, elevated noise in the corner station seen between 7.6 and 9 Hz in various sensors.
I also noticed that the noise between 0.1 and 1 Hz falls off slightly faster this week as compared to last week, getting down to 1.5e-9 before 1 Hz, versus last week the sensors were still reading 5e-9 at 1 Hz.

 

HAM2
- The peak in V2 and V3 at 10.5 Hz is a bit larger

HAM2/HAM3/HAM4/HAM5/HAM6
- H3/V3 have peaks between 7.6 to 9 Hz that are up to half an order of magnitude higher than those frequencies were last week

ITMX ST1
- Increased noise between 7.6 to 9 Hz in all (I think) sensors
ITMX ST2
- Increased noise at 7.6 Hz in H3

ITMY ST1
- Slightly elevated noise between 7.6 to 9 Hz in H1/H3/V1/V3
ITMY ST2
- Slightly elevated noise between 7.6 to 9 Hz in all (I think) sensors

BS ST1
- Slightly elevated noise between 7.6 to 9 Hz in V1/V2/V3
BS ST2
- Slightly elevated noise between 7.6 to 9 Hz in all (I think) sensors

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H1 General
oli.patane@LIGO.ORG - posted 16:42, Tuesday 25 March 2025 (83559)
Observing

Back to observing after finishing maintenance and then damping violins for over 2 hours. Accepted a few SDFs related to ALS and that's it.

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H1 SEI (CSWG, ISC, SUS)
jeffrey.kissel@LIGO.ORG - posted 15:52, Tuesday 25 March 2025 - last comment - 15:53, Wednesday 26 March 2025(83556)
Comparison Between Coherent and Incoherent Sums to generate H1SUSBS SusPoint Euler Motion from H1ISIBS
J. Kissel, O. Patane, B. Lantz

After seeing my post of the current (2025-03-19) performance of the H1ISIBS in LHO:83470, Brian -- in his LHO:83473 comment -- rightly cautioned Oli to beware the difference between 
    (1) a "statistical" or "incoherent" model of the CART2EUL projection to the suspension point, where 
        . one takes the ASDs of the CART DOFs (which are inherently only containing amplitude information, no phase relation between channels), 
        . multiplies them by the CART2EUL coefficients, and 
        . takes the quadrature sum 
      to form an ASD model of the euler basis motion,
   vs.
    (2) a "linear combination" or "coherent" model of the CART2EUL project to the suspension point, where 
        . the time-series of each CART DOF are multiplied by the CART2EUL coefficients, 
        . the time-series are then coherently summed (where "coherently" summed just means the amplitude AND phase relationship between the channels has been preserved), and 
        . then an ASD is taken of that 
      to form an ASD model of the euler basis motion. 

He states 
    - "if the DOFs are independent (which maybe they are, and maybe they are not), then using the quadruture sum of the ASDs, (1), is a reasonable thing to do." and 
    - "I think this difference [between (1) and (2)] not going to impact any of your calculations"

I'd not seen a comparison of these two models either at all or in a long time, every chamber + SUS combination is different, and I had the data, so I made the comparison.

I'll discuss the 6 Euler Basis plots in reverse-traditional order, because they're easiest to understand progressively that way.

YAW
This plot is uninteresting, because the BS projection matrix from CART to EUL has only one unity element, mapping RZ directly to Yaw. 
However, it lets me introduce what I'll be plotting.
In the upper panel, this shows the both models of ASDs and the underlying Cartesian components multiplied by the CART2EUL matrix element. 
As expected here, the thick black dashed ASD -- the coherent sum (2) model -- is identical to that think magenta dashed ASD -- the incoherent sum model (2).

The lower panel is the ASD ratio of the linear sum (2) divided by the incoherent sum (1).
Of course, for this DOF, the two models are identical, so this ASD ratio is identically 1.0 across the whole frequency band.
With me so far? Good. :-P

PITCH
Here, because the Beam Splitter suspension is mounted in the center of the ISI BS optical table, yaw'd 45 degrees, RX and RY map to PITCH via sqrt(2) with the same sign.
But the RX and RY performance of the ISI BS is slightly different, so the ratio between (2) and (1) is interesting.
Most notably around the HEPI cross-beam foot resonance (traditionally called the "HEPI Pier resonance" prior to 2014; see LHO:13505) -- the broad feature at ~7 Hz -- where the ASD ratio shows that the incoherent sum model (1) under predicts Sus. Point displacement by a factor of ~1.35x w.r.t. the coherent sum model (2).
And then at some other feature at ~17 Hz, the incoherent sum model (1) is over predicting the Sus. Point displacement by ~(1/0.8) = 1.25x.

ROLL
OK, now flip the sign of the contribution of RY, and watch the coherent sum drop -- fascinating! The contribution of that same ~7 Hz feature is now dramatically over-predicted by the incoherent sum, by a factor of ~(1/0.4) = 2.5x. Are these two the inverse of each other? No! I don't show it explicitly, but comparing (2)/(1) for roll (the inverse of what's plotted) and (1)/(2) for pitch, the 7 Hz number is 0.74x and 0.52x respectively, so markedly different!  

VERTICAL
Now we're getting really interesting -- for vertical, Z is mapped one-to-one, but RX and RY are contributing in opposite sign, and with only *roughly* the same magnitude [m/rad] CART2EUL coefficient.
The incoherent sum (1) is overestimating the vertical displacement by as much as a factor of ~(1/0.2) = 5x where the vertical motion is limited by RX and RY between 0.5 and 3 Hz.
Wow!
I won't look type thru the rest of the plot, because the plot describes it best, but boy is it more interesting than I thought it would be.

TRANSVERSE
With transverse, even though this degree of freedom "doesn't matter" for the beam splitter, now we're cooking with 5 contributing Cartesian degrees of freedom and except for RZ they're all contributing at interesting levels.
Again, you reading the plot is more useful than me describing it here, but it's quite interesting that the linear sum (2) predicts more motion between 0.6 Hz and 3.5 Hz and the incoherent sum (1) predicts more motion overestimates the motion between 3.5 to 15 Hz.

LONGITUDINAL
Finally, the DOF we work the hardest on, shows contribution from all 5 Cartesian degrees of freedom. A lucky-coincidence perhaps, but it looks like the models are about the same for most of the frequency region, and the incoherent sum (1) is over-predicting the displacement between 3.5 to 15 Hz, which is re-enforcing Brian's comment.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?
Brian is, again, definitely right to call out that the linear sum (1) model is a better model of the displacement of the Sus. Point than the incoherent sum.
But, both I (and perhaps even he) definitely wasn't expecting factors of 2x discrepancy, let alone factors of 5x.
So, I think I might make Brian's conclusion from LHO:83473 a little stronger -- the difference between models will impact the calculations of the Bigger Beam Splitter Suspension (BBSS) performance, so for the update to the seismic input motion, I'll *not* just update the performance from the ~2005 seisBSC.m estimate to the current 2025 real *cartesian* performance incoherently projected to the Sus Point, but instead update it to the current 2025 real *euler* Sus. Point performance computed in the front-end.
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jeffrey.kissel@LIGO.ORG - 15:53, Wednesday 26 March 2025 (83574)CSWG, ISC, SEI
Brian says: 
"huh. I'm not happy about being right here. Something is wrong with that ISI. This means there is very strong coupling between Z and RX/RY on that table, something I've been worried about for a while, but not able to improve. This was just supposed to be a 'thing to keep in mind when checking your work'."

This forced me to look at my own plots again with a different lens, that I think is worth sharing:

"Mmm -- maybe you're thinking too fast here -- the RX/RY coupling to Sus Point Vertical is entirely via geometry, not anything funky with the cross-coupling within the ISI DOFs. 
Sure, improving RX/RY would help by whatever way you want, but this doesn't point fingers at any internal, ISI, RX/RY to Z (or vice verse) coupling.

But also -- the good news is that we "improve" the Sus. Point vertical motion for the BS by a factor of 5x at 0.5 Hz just by showing the better math'ed projection!

And actually -- now that I stare at the V plot more closely, the *coherent* V motion (the black-dashed trace) is not limited by RX or RY *anywhere*:
	- Where the RY/RX component motion is comparable to Z component (say, between 0.5 Hz and 3 Hz), apparently, the *differential* RX / RY motion is smaller than the component, and
	- Where the RX/RY component motion is clearly different from each other (between 5 and 30 Hz), the Z motion is far larger anyways."

But, back to Brian's worry about this ISI's performance -- remember to head to LHO:83530 for discussion :: yes, this is one of the worst performing ISIs and we don't know why.
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